LDS Discussions

LDS Discussions Website

Thank you for visiting LDS Discussions. Our goal is to explore the various topics of Mormonism from a historical perspective using mostly LDS sources. The material on this site has been written by members of the LDS church that have left, and incorporates both critical and apologetic standpoints on each topic. This is all of the information that we wish had been available to us years ago, and is all sourced so that you can know it is not "anti-Mormon" as so many will claim, but just history as we now know it backed up with both sources and our beliefs and explanations.

We have gone through and taken the official LDS essays that the church released on some of the more controversial issues and annotated them with our notes where we feel the church is not being truthful about their claims. While the church has taken a positive step forward with the admissions in these essays, our annotations make clear that there are still serious problems that remain on these topics. These annotated essays are long, but they need to be in order to give a full picture of these topics that have remained controversial through the history of the church.

We highly encourage all readers to check out the various pages on this website, and we will continue to add more content as we go. For those looking for a general overview, we have created a Summary of the Problems with the LDS Church page that links to all of our various annotated essays and pages.

Following the release of the new Saints book from the LDS church, we have completed a chapter-by-chapter review and fact-check, Saints: The Standard of Truth?

We have also launched a blog that will have shorter posts on current church topics, historical issues, and more.

Latest additions to LDS Discussions:

Why are there multiple accounts of the First Vision and what can we learn from them? A closer look. (April 3, 2020) - We take a look at the new church article about the First Vision accounts, and take a closer look at the arguments made to dismiss scholarly criticism of Joseph Smith's change in seeing just one personage to both God and Jesus from 1832 to 1838.
Signs, Signs Everywhere a Sign (April 2, 2020) - A response to another social media post that looks at how the coronavirus actually proves the church is true, and that it is led by a living prophet who prepared us for this pandemic. We look at how confirmation bias can lead us to look for signs that bolster our case while ignoring the many red flags that are telling us the exact opposite.
Searching for Parallels to Explain Problems Away (March 24, 2020) - A response to a recent social media post about how the church was positioned by God for the coronavirus outbreak, and how the use of parallels by apologists overlook the massive problems underneath that have no good answers.
The Church Does Not Take a Position (March 5, 2020) - A look at the recent issues with the church's handbook, the BYU Honor Code whiplash towards LGBT students, and why the church refuses to take a position on the urgent and important issues of our time.
Come Follow Me: Ensign Peak, Tithing, and Why the Church Claims They Hid it From Members (February 10, 2020) - A look at the recent articles about the Ensign Peak investment fund, and what the church claims is the reason they hid the truth about their $124 billion fund from members.
Come Follow Me: What if Skin Doesn't Mean Human Skin? (January 30, 2020) - A response to the opinion piece in the Salt Lake Tribune about the dark skin controversy from 2 Nephi, and how the apologetic argument that the curse of dark skin actually meant clothing is an insult to our intelligence and has no basis in fact or common sense
Elder Tad R. Callister: Straw Man Slayer (January 28, 2020) - A look at the recent official church article titled "The Book of Mormon - man-made or God-given," and detailing why Elder Callister's framing of critical arguments is not just deceptive, but intentiomally misleading in order to paint the critics as flip-flopping conspiracy theorists while ignoring the actual problems that they have been talking about since the beginning of the church.
Come Follow Me: The Curse of Dark Skin (January 19, 2020) - A look at how the church changed their Come Follow Me manual after printing to avoid discussing the literal text in 2 Nephi that the Lamanites were cursed with a "skin of blackness" in order to "not be enticing" to the "white and delightsome" Nephites, and what church history and past prophets say about this very painful belief.
About That Joseph Smith and Masonry Video (January 17, 2020) - A review of the church's new "now you know" video on Joseph Smith, the Masons, and the endowment ceremony. We look at what the church isn't telling members in this video, and why that matters.
It's Not Blind Faith, It's Big Faith (Response to Henry Eyrings BYU-I Devotional; January 16, 2020) - A quick write-up about the devotional where BYU-I president Henry Eyring discussed doubts with students, and why they should not have blind faith, but big faith to problems with church history, doctrines, or leaders.
About That Joseph Smith Video (Response to new LDS video on Joseph Smith; October 29, 2019)
An Overview of the First Vision: Different Accounts and Apologetics (Added October 3, 2019)
Thank You, President Nelson (BYU Speech on LGBT policies; September 18, 2019)
Doubts Are Not Dangerous - They're Necessary (September 17, 2019)
The Book of Abraham in 1,000 Words (August 26, 2019)
Our Favorite Podcasts on Mormonism (List of Recommended Podcasts; August 25, 2019)
About That Word of Wisdom Video (Response to new LDS video on the WoW; July 18, 2019)
The New Survey On Interviewing 8-11 Year Old Children (July 11, 2019)
About That Seer Stone Video (Response to new LDS video on seer stones; June 26, 2019)
Unintended Consequences (LDS Civil Wedding Rule Change Announcement; May 7, 2019)
The Larger Implications of the LGBT Policy Reversal (Revelation and Spiritual Confirmations; Apr 4, 2019)
Blog: The Sixth Sense and Studying LDS History (How the Sixth Sense mirrors Mormon studies; Mar 27, 2019)
Blog: What D&C 132 Tells Us About Revelation (Insights into Joseph Smith's revelations; Mar 13, 2019)
Blog: Please Don't Look Under the Hood (Elder Colbridge's Devotional on Issues with Church History; Jan 23)
Blog: Navigating Doubts in the LDS Church (Elder Renlund's Youth Devotional: January 16)
Saints Chapter-By-Chapter Review/Fact-Check (Completed February 4)

Among the first pages completed are:

We will be posting new material as we go - and if you have anything you would like answered email us at